OUT! OUT! OUT! LIBERALS SHOULD STOP PRETENDING TO BE CATHOLIC BELIEVERS
Discussion on Daylight Atheism: Why Liberal Catholics Should Leave the
Church
One thing is for sure, if you won't leave the Church officially then at least do
not give it money for that money will be used to gain undeserved influence and
to spread religious misinformation. The Church does not claim to be a charity
but a mission and the charity work only serves the evangelism. Also, there are
estimates that a large pile of money donated to the Church does not really go
where you think it is going. http://www.churchsecurity.info...
It does not matter what anybody identifies as. I can identify as Mormon but
nobody in their right mind would take me seriously. It is up to the facts to
identify you not you or anybody else. And the fact remains that the bishops are
the authorised teachers of the Church and supposedly stand in the place of Jesus
and are guided by him. They are not telling you to go if you should be a
Protestant or humanist. They are only telling you what logic says.
If Catholicism is a man made religion then it will have errors. In that case a
progressive Catholic does not exist. What you have is a person using the label
who is trying to mend the errors while pretending the religion is definitely
from God.
It is alarming that for most of its history - until recently - Catholics had no
problem worshipping a God of hate who torments sinners and innocent people (yes
if you have sex outside marriage you will be cursed by God forever despite being
an innocent person) for all eternity. I don't think the damage done by such
doctrines should be forgiven so easily by today's Catholics.
The reality is that truth is not about us. Truth is truth no matter what. A
religion that claims to be the truth should be followed without cherry-picking
but only if it really is the truth. I am atheist and do not like the Church but
I agree that those who cannot see it as the truth should leave. Otherwise they
end up supporting what they think is a manmade religion. It is stupid to regard
everybody that claims to be Christian as Christian or qualified to speak on what
Christians believe. If some belief is not Christian and anti-Christian no
Christian can make it Christian
Discussion on Spectator Blogs - When he thinks no one is looking, Pope tries
to wave through communion for divorced-and-remarried
Liberals just want the pope to be nicer to some people such as the divorced but
what use is that when the core system of Catholicism is a human invention and a
toxic one? Liberals are only enabling the poison.
The reason why Christianity is to blame for so much suffering is the teaching of
love. Love is risky in the sense that it demands too much of the person and has
them acting as if they know what is best for others. The Eastern teaching of
compassion is vastly superior. Compassion insists that you do your best to
dialogue with the other person so that you can put yourself in their place. Love
has a patronising and controlling side side while compassion recognises that
risk and does all it can to avert it.
Also if Catholicism is a man-made religion, calling somebody Catholic is really
just a word. It has as much validity as saying a man from Rainville is a
Rainvillian. There would be nothing special about the label except as a social
appellation.
As the creed says the Church is one and holy and Catholic (Catholic means it has
the truth for all people and is an implicit claim to infallibility or access to
unerring teachings) and apostolic the implication is that a person who knows
what the Church teaches and denies it is no longer a believing Catholic but a
cherry-picker. They may be culturally Catholic but even an atheist who was never
baptised can manage that! Christ was very severe against those who were
recognised as Jews but who were not really because their hearts were full of sin
and heresy and pretence. Catholic Pharisees exist too.
How good is a religion when it produces such experts at pretending to be good?
Not all religions have the pharisee problem to the extent that Catholicism does.
Parents and Catholic schools
Parents often state that they want schools with say a Catholic ethos. Why do they not care that they can have children formed as Catholics even if schools are secular? Why don't they secularise schools and use Sunday Schools? And why is there no concern for whether a religion is true or not? A Muslim School and a Catholic School cannot both be preaching a religion from God. Both might be preaching religions of man and man has no right to order anybody to do anything on religious grounds - only God can have that right and even that is debatable. If man has no right to dictate he has less right if he thinks he can dictate for God if God has no such right! God has no needs and rights are based on needs so God has no right to judge us and is failing to love the sinner and hate the sin if he judges us. He is just being arrogant and spiteful and hypocritical. Not all concerns linked to religion are really about truth or God or religion. I think Catholics just want a Catholic culture not Catholicism as a religion.
Religious groups angered by President Trump vow to keep LGBT act
"Liberals" are to blame for creating a culture where raising concerns about
people's religious ideas was made taboo. Conservatives played on that and were
delighted that we ended up with a society that made it rude to tell say a priest
to be that he might be wasting his life on a relationship with God that is
delusion. Now look at what is happening. Wrong beliefs or turning guesses into
beliefs has consequences. A man-made faith or religion not only leads to
corruption it is corruption for corruption starts with a refusal to face the
truth and embrace it if you are wrong.
