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Lesson of the Week
WHAT HARM DOES IT TO TODAY TO HOLD THAT GOD INSPIRED AND COMMANDED THE STONING TO DEATH OF CERTAIN SINNERS CENTURIES AGO?
When you praise the Bible as being unerring in its
teaching and doctrine, you are saying it is right to say that God commanded
that homosexuals be stoned to death. That is to mention one evil out of many
that it commands. This is extreme evil. Respecting and approving of it makes
you no better than those who picked up the stones. To praise the Bible is to
indirectly respect and approve the evil. To praise the God of the Bible is
to implicitly respect and approve the evil. The evil being implicit or
indirect does not make it any less bad. It is still as reprehensible and
intolerable. In one way, you are worse than the killers for they had more
chance of feeling bad about it than you!
The holocaust
We must not forget that in Catholic doctrine, God formed a religion under
Moses and the prophets that murdered gay people by stoning at divine
command. This religion was fulfilled and added to and updated by Christ. The
new Testament claims to be in continuity with the Old and denies that Christ
formed a new religion but says he completed genuine Judaism. Many of the
Jewish people did not accept the updates or Christ's right to administer
them and so are considered breakaways. The Catholic Church then implicitly
claims it had its own holocaust. A religion honouring evil brutal books as
something to be read by all and taken by all as being God's revelation and
God's writings through men needs to be firmly opposed. It is an outrage for
violence should be abhorred outright. There are better books than the Bible
out there!
Romans 2:11 says that God will give the Jews special treatment when he is
saving the universe at the end. If you think he meant spiritual Jews - which
he claimed saved believers were though they were not Jewish by race -
Christians have to be Jewish in a sense. That demands respect for the law.
The texts are intrinsically dangerous
God according to the book of Leviticus ordered that the people must stone
gay men to death. Bishops cite that verse to oppose gay sexuality. We must
remember that God threatened the people with horrendous disasters including
plague if they did not comply with his laws. That shows how much "God"
wanted gay men murdered.
Case study
A bishop, Huonder, cited the bloodstained Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 with
approval. He said, “These two parts would be sufficient to give us the right
direction with regard to homosexuality, in the light of our Faith.” He will
not take responsibility if somebody goes out and kills gay people because of
the quotes from the Bible. If the bishop says he does not believe in killing
gays today and that it was a law for the past that does not get him off the
hook for he is saying, "It is only my opinion". That opens the door to
people to disagree and think the killings would be endorsed by God at best
or understandable at worst.
If somebody hears the bishop quote the Bible and approve of the murders that
were carried out, that he may not advocate murder now, the Bible is not
going to discourage that person much if the person wants to kill gay people.
While it is good that decent people oppose the Church saying that gay sex is
a serious sin, the problem is that Jesus said it - that is the main one.
If Jesus really set up Roman Catholicism to teach the "truth and be the only
right religion" (as the Church claims) then he is to blame for the bishop
and the pope's anti-gay teaching.
Pink Cross perceived the bishop to be calling for a restoration of the death
penalty for gays. This is the reason why it is suing him for hate speech.
They are right to say that if he wanted gays executed that this would be
hate even if it were legalised again. But problems will arise. What if
people argue, he is still not arguing for anything illegal. He wants them
dead if the law allows it. It would be odd if anybody reasoned, "It is not
hate to approve of the people being murdered by the Leviticus law. He does
not hate today's gays if he does not want this law applied today." If a
person said they wanted black people killed but only if it is legal that
would be obeisance to law but still murderous.
The bishop is a disgrace. And those who applauded at his sermon are no
better.
Cherry-pickers are hypocrites not allies!
Christians who cherry-pick the Bible are giving the message: "My opinions
are as good as God's. If I don't honour the whole Bible why do I honour any
of it? Because it is sacred and I am just too stubborn, inconsistent and
naughty to obey it all". Cherry-picking is paying homage to the Bible and
the Bible should get no homage at all. It is bad advertising for the
goodness of the Bible but still advertising. The message to obey the thing
properly is still there underneath all the cherry-picking. A bad Catholic is
not an advert for bad Catholicism but good obedient Catholicism. From a
humanitarian point of view, no Catholicism is good but that is not the
point.
It is an insult to the people murdered as a result of the Leviticus law to
say, "We don't do that now so it is okay". That is saying killing gay people
isn't wrong - it's just not done any more. Talking like that is really
saying, "They deserve to be killed but I am too good and too superior to
slaughter them." It is a smug boast. It is using death to glorify yourself.
When the state persecuted
Why did Catholic countries that took their rules from bishops such as Ireland put gay men in jail until relatively recently? Because of the influence of the Bible and Jesus. And it is a fact that the Church regards God as the author of the Bible not in spite of the fact that it demands in God's name that gays be stoned to death but because of it. The Church still teaches that homosexuality is bad for society - that implies support for the law banning it. A vote for Jesus who claimed responsibility for writing the murderous laws of the Bible through men is a vote for homophobia.
The Catechism uses words as weapons of hate
Words can be weapons and only religion gets away with using them that way.
Words are the coward’s weapon.
The Catholic catechism that you Catholics so adore refers to Old Testament
texts that condemn homosexuality. To use texts from violent scriptures, even
the non-violent texts, implies that you are not very upset about the
violence. You are treating the text as a source of authority - of a
supernatural authority that supposedly knows better than we do. You are
still honouring that text - if you were disgusted by the violence you would
be looking elsewhere for an authority to condemn homosexuality.
It is alarming how somebody can quote a murderous law as having been given
by God and half the world says it is fine for God doesn't ask for gays to be
stoned any more. It is a callous insult against the gay men who died. If you
would be okay with such a law and such a God what will you be okay with
next?
What if Jesus is shown to have stoned?
Jesus did not apologise for those laws and indeed stated they were correct. If it is true he does not require stoning any more it could be a matter of seeing the laws as out of date rather than wrong. He did not apologise for the murders which would have taken place in his own day. For all we know Jesus could have stoned gay men to death before he decided the law had had its day. Christianity is man made which is why man's flawed and bloody handprints are all over it. What happens if evidence turns up that he commanded stoning and participated in it?
Don’t be taken in by the complacent
It is an insult to the people murdered as a result of the Leviticus law to
say, "We don't do that now so it is okay".
"Christian so and so is such a nice person despite his belief in the Bible."
Don't even think that. Human nature is notorious for enabling evil with a
smile. A truly decent person does not even contemplate honouring an evil
book as the word of God. He throws it away. The good bits are a reason for
rejecting it not accepting it. Something that advocates good and teaches
good and then teaches its opposite is worse than something that means well
but does little else but damage. Evil needs to be softened by having lots of
good put into the mix. That way it does more harm than shamelessly blatant
and undiluted evil.
Some look at Christian good deeds and practically ignore the diabolical
aspects of Christian doctrine. They say, "Actions speak louder than words".
But the Christian adoration of a God who is not intrinsically anti-cruelty
or anti-violence is an action. And a bigger one than any good deed they do.
They put their devotion to him at their very core.
Christians justify the murders
The bible Jesus upheld scriptures as from God that endorsed the stoning of
gay people to death. That seems to be fairly common knowledge. Read http://www.equip.org/articles/killing-the-canaanites/
which shows that Christianity today condones all the murdering done and
commanded by God in the past. The religion might be non-violent in some
nations, but it is not non-violent in how it approves fanaticism. I would
prefer to be taught atheism in school than that sick tripe.
A corrupt faith can corrode your integrity
The Bible of Jesus, the Torah, is full of God sanctioned violence and has
very little love. Surprise surprise! And what does it say about Jesus that
he had to honour a book like that as sacred and his foundation? Those who
say that religion is always good are talking a pile of nonsense. If one
religion says Jesus is God and other says he is not one of them is not in
tune with the truth and corruption always starts with failing to give
priority to truth and to follow where it leads. And corruption leads to
violence in one form or another.
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