Born of water in John 3:5 so is Jesus referring to water baptism?
Jesus in John 3:3 tells a respected Jewish leader Nicodemus that you cannot see the kingdom of God unless you are fixed by being reborn. We often read this as enter. But it is see. The word is horao which stands for “perceiving and then attending to what you perceive”. It's seeing and acting on what you see. It means not only do you have faith to see but you live out that faith as well in action and sincerity. This is also saying that you cannot see the goodness and beauty of the kingdom if you are spiritually blind. Jesus even if he is referring to baptism rules out baptising babies for you need to see as you are being reborn. This affirms becoming a follower of his as a totally free choice.
Jesus in John 3:5 repeats that unless one is born of water and the Spirit one cannot see the kingdom of God.
Most think that as water baptism features in the gospels and was meant to give a fresh spiritual start with God water means baptism. There is a problem with the word Spirit too. Does it refer to the Holy Spirit as in third person of the Trinity or does it refer to God as a whole who Jesus calls a Spirit elsewhere? Or does it mean wind?
As water and wind are symbols of God's spirit it allows us to affirm that the
text is not thinking of water at all. But suppose it is.
Born of water is what concerns us here.
All the interpretations are,
1 it means water baptism.
This one needs amending.
The different scenarios for baptism are not subcategories. They are categories.
So we will change this as follows.
We are starting again.
We could be talking about the racist Jewish practice of the time where non-Jews
were symbolically washed of their sins and sinful culture. Jesus expected
Nicodemus to know what he meant so it is clearly Jewish baptism if it means
baptism at all
1 Jewish baptism of people who can make a choice by immersion in water only.
2 Jewish baptism of people who can make a choice by being washed but in any
form.
3 Jewish baptism of those who can choose and babies or others who cannot and
need another to choose for them.
4 A new form of baptism of people who can make a choice by immersion in water
only.
5 A new form of baptism of people who can make a choice by being washed but in
any form.
6 A new form of baptism of those who can choose and babies or others who cannot
and need another to choose for them.
(This is merely reflecting that baptism has different meanings and the meanings
matter. For John the Baptist baptism was a repentance symbol but
Christians say their baptism is a sacrament. It fixes the soul.
7 The water is the Holy Spirit for the Old Testament speaks of pure water
washing away sin and does not mean real literal water. This view could well be
correct as Jesus again expected Jesus to know what it meant from the Old
Testament.
8 The water is the water of the amniotic fluid in the womb at birth. Nicodemus
took Jesus to mean this for he started talking about if a man can get back into
the womb again. Jesus is thought to correct him though. This alleged correction
is not clear. Jesus telling Nicodemus he should know this stuff may imply only
that he should have thought it out for himself not that he was wrong to link it
to birth of the flesh.
Many say Jesus is speaking of people needing the spirit who are already born.
“Be born of water”. The Churches that believe in infant baptism hold the command
is given to parents to baptize their children as well.
But John’s gospel treats time as irrelevant in spiritual terms where Jesus says
he was the I AM and living in Abraham’s time. So that is doubtful.
Some say Jesus was not talking about two births but one so it is not birth into
this world and another one. Water and spirit then in this view are the same one.
The grammar is supposed to mean both of and from so being born of water and the
spirit is strictly born both of water and the spirit and from water and the
spirit.
The word “of” in our translations (ex) can mean both “of” and from. But it is
absurd to say that the water can cause God to live in us. Water is not magic.
I would ignore the point that amniotic fluid is strictly speaking not water but
the woman’s body fluids. And later on in pregnancy it is made mostly of the
baby’s urine. Culture has always said that it was water. We cannot assume the
gospel wants us to be pedantic.
The Old Testament texts about pure water washing sinners are thought to be in
Jesus’ mind too and this seems to rule out urine and amniotic fluids. But Jesus
may have been influenced by these texts yes but he surely knew that pure water
in the physical sense does not exist.
I deny that Jesus saying you must be born physically or of the flesh and then of
the Spirit would be a silly truism, unless you are born at all you will not be
here to be saved. But it could be poetic and a device for showing that you need
the Spirit as much as you need to exist in this world or there is no salvation.
It is not redundant for Jesus to tell people who are born they need to be born
to be saved and then by the Spirit.
So why didn’t he say you need to be born and then born of the Spirit?
The answer is that you are created at birth and need this creation completed by
having the Holy Spirit in your heart. So there is no need for the then.
Objection: If you compare John 3:5 – “Except one be born of water and the
Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God!” and 1 Corinthians 12:13 – “For
in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body” it clearly means water
baptism. But the latter is referring to the Holy Spirit as what you are cleansed
in. No mention of water.
So there is no problem with Jesus meaning the water of the womb. Anything
else is going too far. The important thing is that the womb is mentioned
and water baptism is not. Jesus did not even use Jewish baptism traditions
of the time as a clarification. Why? Because he was not thinking of
it.
The Church Fathers said some interesting things.
Saint Ambrose of Milan explained how baptism is metaphorically an attempt to
kill the sinful person and rebirth them as one who is in line with God! This
shows how some parents have no moral integrity with their own babies.
Violence is intended period.
“Although we are baptized with water and the Spirit, the latter is much superior
to the former, and is not therefore to be separated from the Father and the Son.
There are, however, many who, because we are baptized with water and the Spirit,
think that there is no difference in the offices of water and the Spirit, and
therefore think that they do not differ in nature. Nor do they observe that we
are buried in the element of water that we may rise again renewed by the Spirit.
For in the water is the representation of death, in the Spirit is the pledge of
life, that the body of sin may die through the water, which encloses the body as
it were in a kind of tomb, that we, by the power of the Spirit, may be renewed
from the death of sin, being born again in God” (The Holy Spirit 1:6).
He showed how a lot of baptisms cannot work. This is an issue today where
clearly many Christians including prelates do not believe Jesus’ blood takes
away sin.
“You have read, therefore, that the three witnesses in baptism are one: water,
blood, and the Spirit (1 John 5:8): And if you withdraw any one of these, the
sacrament of baptism is not valid. For what is the water without the cross of
Christ? A common element with no sacramental effect. Nor on the other hand is
there any mystery of regeneration without water, for ‘unless a man be born again
of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God’” (The Mysteries
4:20 ).
St Augustine of Hippo penned the following.
“It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated . .
. when that infant is brought to baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that
the infant so presented is reborn. For it is not written, ‘Unless a man be born
again by the will of his parents’ or ‘by the faith of those presenting him or
ministering to him,’ but, ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy
Spirit.’ The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace,
and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one
Christ that man who was generated in Adam” (Letters 98:2 ).
So it is not about the parents. Today parents a lot of the time only baptize their
baby for the sake of the party and the photographs.
We conclude that the Christian doctrine that baptism saves is based on untruths.
The Christian tradition is not reliable.